America Ferrera is telling it like it is. In the latest installment of The New York Times‘s “Table for Three” column, the Ugly Betty actress got candid with Hillary Clinton about the struggles women face in society, and the harsh reality of being a Latina in Hollywood.

“Women grow up in the same culture as men,” Ferrera, 33, said. “We’re taught to hate ourselves with as many, if not more, messages every day.”

Seated beside the former presidential candidate at the Lambs Club in Manhattan, Ferrera, the first Latina in history to win an Emmy for best leading actress in a comedy, went on to explain how that’s amplified for Latinas. “As a woman, as a Latina, I’ve always felt there’s a very narrow version of me that’s acceptable, that’s allowed to succeed. And if I stray from that, I’m not just failing myself, I’m failing so many. So, I’ve operated from a place of fear, not from my most-alive self.”

Ferrera continued: “As an actress, the idea that women are relegated to a certain roles, and Latina women are further relegated to hyper-sexualized objects, just to fit in, has completely limited my career and me as a human being. But I’m calling bull!” she added. “Why should I have to compete with every other brown woman just because somebody says this is the amount of pie we’re willing to give you?”

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And at the end of the meal, both women revealed they have no plans to “shut up” any time soon.